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How Do You Dose Your Subs?

by opiobsessed
Just thought I'd start this thread for the heck of it, since nobody seems to have posted this yet. How do you take your subs under the tongue? wait till it dissolves fully and then wait 5 mins before swallowing? crush it with teeth and then hold the powder in your mouth for 5 or 10 mins like I just did and then swallow it? me I'm on 24 mg a day suboxone and I just changed my dose due to tolerance, I now take one when I get up late morning, another at 4pm and then the last at 7 or 8 after supper. Just 10 mins ago I took my 4ish dose, however I did something different this time, rather than putting it under my tongue and waiting for it to dissolve and then waiting another 5 mins to swallow it. This time I put it in my mouth and crushed it into powder with my teeth and held it until I was salivating good and then waited 10 mins before swallowing it all. I hope I dont wd, better yet, I hope I might get maybe a better light buzz from it since I never yet tried this way till now. As I sit here typing, waiting for better or for worse, I"m anticipating something best hopefully. Last time I saw my sub doctor, I asked him if it would work ok if I just put it in my mouth like that and crushed it etc like I just did, he said its fine. Another thing he told me, he said the drug rep for suboxone came in as usual one time and said the patients should hold the saliva for 20 mins right after its done dissolving. Sounds accurate to me, because most orally taken opiates seem to take 20 mins about, to kick in. I never can seem to stand holding the saliva in my mouth for 20 mins though, I just hold 5 mins and swallow. Anyone notice any difference in the dose, if you do anything differently? I know I'm a real sissy when it comes to wd, and since I've encountered disaster too many times in life when "setting out for adventure" trying something new, I still have yet to take the chance crushing up my subs and snorting them like someone told me I should do so I could get a much better buzz. One day the urge for a buzz might overtake my fear and I'll probably take the chance and snort a little at a time off one pill to see how it goes. If I took a chance grinding up one sub maybe in half or less and save the other half, would I go into any better or worse wd if I snorted a little rather than a whole pill? or would it not do anything unless I take the whole pill up the nose? sorry for my long story, hope you all enjoyed reading this.

  • Wooaaa, ha ha, 20 mins later or so and WOW, ha ha now I"m starting to feel real goood!!!!, I'm sitting here happy as a clam now and grinning from ear to ear, receptors all cozy and warm almost like when I first started these buddies, after crushing that up and holding it for 10 mins before swallowing it, I"m nice and hummin now. Time to get some stuff done around here lol.
    - opiobsessed, 8 years ago
  • Suboxone- intranasally 4mg.(half an 8mg.)every other day,about to go to 2mg.intranasally every day to see if I can catch that energy every day- instead of every other.
    - voodoobudah, 8 years ago
  • insufflated 3-4mg, daily
    - blahblahblah, 8 years ago
  • I use subutex, because, honestly, when taking suboxone sublingually, I really noticed a marked decreased effect. Also, that fake orange/tang taste is really sour and awful. I gives me heartburn. So, my doctor grudgingly agreed to keep me on subutex (score!).

    anyways, because there's no naloxone or nasty artificial flavors and sweeteners (suboxones have acesulfame in them), I SNORT them almost always. I railed up an 8mg about 20 minutes ago, and I got a light buzz going. That's all I get, though.

    One thing I wanted to point out today was that when I took it with some imipramine my shrink (not the sub doc) gave me for sleep (which is TOTALLY LAME, by the way), it kicked in the bupe more. At work today, I snorted a 8mg around 11am and was on a nod about a half hour later - I took the imipramine the night before, and I really noticed some effects from it the next day. It's a mild stimulant for me, no help at all for sleeping, at least not by itself. That shrink of mine is a DICK!

    Anyway, tell your doctor that you get horrible heartburn from suboxone, get on subutex instead and then snort 'em - much more bioavailablility that way. Also, people who are allergic (or people who SAY they are allergic) to the dyes in suboxone would be put on subutex too.
    - Zoops, 8 years ago
  • I've tried saying that about the suboxone, my doctor didn't buy it and said that if I was having bad effects from the suboxone than I would have the same bad effects from subutex and wont switch me to subutex at all. He said if I wanted to go to the methadone clinic that would be fine, only thing is how do I switch to methadone from suboxone? I called the clinic about it, they said its much easier to switch from sub to methadone but real hard to switch from methadone to suboxone. They also told me if I switch to methadone I might have to be in wd before I get switched to methadone and told me to ask my sub doc about it. He said not necessarily would I have to be in wd long before going to methadone, so what does that mean?
    - opiobsessed, 8 years ago
  • I have tried both -and the suboxone works better for me and I think it tastes better (no shit).As you say,through the shnozz is way better than under the toungue.:p :p :p :p :p :p Just my opinion.
    - voodoobudah, 8 years ago
  • Wow this has me so darn anxious. I have been wanting to up the snoot with these for do darn long but the fear of wd has been the only thing keeping me from it. One of these days you guys will hear from me for sure when the desire to feel a better buzz outweighs the fear of wd and I finally try the snoot.
    - opiobsessed, 8 years ago
  • yo opio, i've always heard it the other way. about when getting on any of the bupes they want you to enter withdrawel before they'll start your dose's. i think that might have sumthing to do with the two failed detoxes i tried. i went into w/d immediately after first dose of bupe.I've never heard of any problems going on methadone from any thing opiate like peace da/dawgg:cool: hey i'm trying to get some info printouts for a friend about the bupes/subutex any help mucho appreciatto
    - blackdog, 8 years ago
  • I'm prescribed suboxone 8mg daily for maintenance. I split my dose into 4mg 2x daily. One dose in the morning ( 8:00 - 12:00 AM ) and one dose later on. ( 3:00 - 6:00 PM ) I take them sublingually. The problem with suboxone so far is that it can make me drowsy, or it can give me energy. I've been so tired off a daily dose of suboxone that I have been on a nod most of the day. My vision can get blurry and I have to constantly close my eyes.

    Would snorting the powder "the right way" be the most effective method? I wonder what the bioavailability rate of suboxone is taken sublingually and nasally "the right way."
    - psychotiKK, 8 years ago
  • hi guys I am on one 8mg subutex a day and I would like to try snorting it instead of under the toungue. Is snorting the whole 8 mg too much . Is the effect much greater thru snorting? any advice would be appreaciated. Just no lectures please ;)
    - tcb110, 7 years ago
  • Wow! Back then in January, I was first beginning my suboxone maintenance treatment at 8mg a day. I didn't realize how long I've actually been clean from any opiate or opioid derivative.

    I'm currently taking 16mg daily, two 8mg subligual suboxone. As I always hear, "less is better" and so many of you are actually experiencing euphoria or a good mu agonist high. If I'm wrong, correct me. Lately I've been doing my own little tapers. For around the past two weeks, I've been taking AT MOST 8mg subligual, and that was only a few times. The rest has been 0mg or 4mg. I'm just dieing to have some opies again and not be so dependant on the subs. And if I can improve the use of my subs, that would be awesome. That brings me to tcb110's question.

    tcb110's: I know for a fact nalaxone has a MUCH higher bioavailability rate when taken intranasally. I'm not sure about buprenorphine itself. I would think that this would make you feel worse. I've tried it a couple times, but it was long ago and I'm not sure if I snorted it right. Anyone have a better answer?
    - psychotiKK, 7 years ago
  • Speaking from my own experience, back when I was on 24mg suboxone daily I tried one time and then another time snorting just one whole 8mg suboxone finely crushed up into powder. The first time I tried it, I didn't get much more of a buzz than taking as prescribed, however its strange the second time I tried it, I got no effect whatsoever except a mild headache that lasted all afternoon.

    My advice, dont bother snorting suboxone, it seems a waste to me, however I never had a chance to snort subutex so I can't say how I would react with that. However I'm on methadone now so the rest is history.
    - opiobsessed, 7 years ago
  • Yeah, that's what my experience was like. My family now wants me to taper off the suboxone and quit for good. In one way it's fantastic in that I can be able to use opiates again and not have to worry about post-operative pain control. SWIMs already thinking about hydromorphones, methadone, pods, oxys, hydrocodone, heroin, morphine, codeine, ect.

    Now the bad thing is that I feel so "empty" without some opies in my body. I absolutely hate withdrawals and I'll probably just end up an addict again. I can hardly live a normal life as it is. Let's say I've tapered down to 4mg daily. How long will it take for me to feel full agonist opiates again? I know it's impossible to answer, but there has to be someone who knows around the time it would take. 12 hours? 24 hours? 72 hours? A week? Two weeks? As I've said earlier, I attempted to get high on pods and methadone during my buprenorphine treatment... 5 days without my 16mg suboxone dose wasn't even long enough. I was taking decently large doses too.

    Fuck.. I don't know what to do. Stick with the plan of quitting or switch to methadone and go through that hellhole. I'd love getting high on methadone daily but I'm sure that would stop after awhile. Then before I know it, I'm on 120mg+ daily having to drive to the clinic each day, early in the A.M. The UA shows I smoke marijuana and they might not even let me stay in the program. Fuckkk :(
    - psychotiKK, 7 years ago
  • hi guys I am on one 8mg subutex a day and I would like to try snorting it instead of under the toungue. Is snorting the whole 8 mg too much . Is the effect much greater thru snorting? any advice would be appreaciated. Just no lectures please ;)

    I know of many people who snort their subutex and they say it works great. I wouldnt do a whole 8 mg pill though all at once. The thing with buprenorphine is that less is more. Try snorting 2-4 mg's and I believe you would be pleasantly surprised. Also, their IS a ceiling with this stuff, so if you feel good after snorting some, dont think that you can snort some more right after to achieve even a better affect. It wont work, just be happy with whatever feeling you might achieve with this stuff.



    Yeah, that's what my experience was like. My family now wants me to taper off the suboxone and quit for good. In one way it's fantastic in that I can be able to use opiates again and not have to worry about post-operative pain control. SWIMs already thinking about hydromorphones, methadone, pods, oxys, hydrocodone, heroin, morphine, codeine, ect.

    Now the bad thing is that I feel so "empty" without some opies in my body. I absolutely hate withdrawals and I'll probably just end up an addict again. I can hardly live a normal life as it is. Let's say I've tapered down to 4mg daily. How long will it take for me to feel full agonist opiates again? I know it's impossible to answer, but there has to be someone who knows around the time it would take. 12 hours? 24 hours? 72 hours? A week? Two weeks? As I've said earlier, I attempted to get high on pods and methadone during my buprenorphine treatment... 5 days without my 16mg suboxone dose wasn't even long enough. I was taking decently large doses too.

    Fuck.. I don't know what to do. Stick with the plan of quitting or switch to methadone and go through that hellhole. I'd love getting high on methadone daily but I'm sure that would stop after awhile. Then before I know it, I'm on 120mg+ daily having to drive to the clinic each day, early in the A.M. The UA shows I smoke marijuana and they might not even let me stay in the program. Fuckkk


    Psycho, if you know that you are just going to go back to being a full blown addict again the second you get off suboxone, and you think it will just get outta control to where you cant handle it (which it sounds like that is gonna be the case) then methadone sounds like it would be ideal for you.

    As for the waiting period to feel other opiates, there are so many factors that go into play that I cant even begin. I can easily feel any other opiates the next day ONLY if I am on 2 mg's a day of subs. Try tapering down, it is a lot easier than you think. You dont need to be on that much a day after that long anyways. It really is a waste, IMO.

    From reading a lot of your posts, you should probably speak with Opiobessed. You guys sound like you are in the same boat. I believe he is happier on methadone now than he ever was on suboxone. It just really depends on what your looking for, and it sounds like methadone would be what you are looking for. DONT UNDERESTIMATE METHADONE!! That shit is one of the strongest and longest lasting opiates I have ever tried. I get a CrAzY full body euphoria high while on that shit.
    - shaunclo, 7 years ago
  • I have been (finally) starting to realize that less IS more with bupe. I been shlammin a whole 8mg subutex like twice a day, sometimes doin it when I know it won't do nothgin.

    I have found recently that if I only take 4mg and wait about 12 hours in between, I get a nice feelin.

    LESS is more with bupe, really, it is probably the hardest thing for a junky to understand, but it's true.

    Ditto on methadone being totally awesome. I wish that I could get meth the same way I get bupe. that would be cool.
    - Zoops, 7 years ago
  • From reading a lot of your posts, you should probably speak with Opiobessed. You guys sound like you are in the same boat. I believe he is happier on methadone now than he ever was on suboxone. It just really depends on what your looking for, and it sounds like methadone would be what you are looking for. DONT UNDERESTIMATE METHADONE!! That shit is one of the strongest and longest lasting opiates I have ever tried. I get a CrAzY full body euphoria high while on that shit.

    Nice to hear from you again. It's been awhile.

    Believe me, I know all about the 'done. I've done so much methadone recreationally and know the dangers of it.

    I have been tapering down my dose of subs.. for the past two weeks, I've been taking much lower doses then prescribed. First week I was taking at the most 8mg.. some of the days I had nothing, or took 3-4mg. Second week I had 8mg only one time. For the rest of the six days I've been taking 3-4mg one day, then nothing the next day, 3mg again the day after, and two days without anything. Today is the second day without any suboxone, my last dose being 3mg as mentioned. It's been about 48 hours since then. I know my tolerance is much lower, but I still doubt that I could get high on anything I have access to at the moment. I could get ahold of some low doses of liquid methadone, some hydrocodone (I already have 6 5mg pills, which would probably do nothing, and I still have about 10 or 11 large pods. I'd probably have to buy a $20 of tar and shoot it all up, and I MIGHT get a high.

    For the past year I have been a fucking wreck. I've suffered through depression for a few years, but this has been the absolute worst. I've been on suboxone maintenance during this time. For awhile, the subs worked great, but as time went on the positive effects were weakening, and I've been suffering bad. I'm not the same person anymore. I'm afraid to go out to many places, especially my friend's house. I sleep excessively and don't do anything. I feel hopeless, anxious, depressed, lonely, and afraid. I'm on 75mg of paxil daily for depression and anxiety, 2mg klonopin daily for generalized/social anxiety, 16mg suboxone for my opiate addiction, (i've been taking such low doses lately or taking none at all which makes everything worse) and Concerta 27mg to help with my sleepiness, lack of concentration, and lack of motivation. With the Concerta, it's not strong enough to help me much, I feel a bit bipolar on them, there's many negative side effects, and I hate coming down. I've taken Adderall many times and prefer it so much more, but my psychiatrist is afraid to give it to me because it has a "high abuse potential" and he figures concerta is non-abusable. They are both Schedule II so why is it such a big deal.

    As I said, my family wants me OFF suboxone because "it doesn't do anything for me" and they are tired of paying for it. They would never want me on methadone. They just expect me to stop taking it and be fine, but that's impossible. I already feel like total shit, and taking away the subs or any other opiates will only make me worse. I'm on all these medications, yet I'm still going through this bullshit. I don't know what to say to my psych.. I always tell him I'm depressed, so he throws more antidepressants at me and they make me feel worse. The klonopin isn't helping me enough, same with the paxil and concerta. I don't know what the fuck to do.. I got no money and all these problems.. i can't get any more suboxone till tuesday since the doc is only there tuesday-thursday and the drive is kinda far.

    One more thing, the whole "less is more" thing.. 4mg of sub doesn't even take away my SUBOXONE withdrawals. I need ATLEAST 8mg. Well, I'm fucked.
    - psychotiKK, 7 years ago
  • do u think the subs contributed to ur sleeping, lack of motivation by themselves?
    - seagullsuber, 7 years ago

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